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PostSubject: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyTue Jan 12, 2010 11:28 pm

Oh yeah, and my windshield sprayer which was working started working yesterday morning then quit, meaning...I can hear the pump but no spray. I'm not familiar with how it works, or if it could have frozen or something? Very well could be unrelated to the SEL, but not sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyTue Jan 12, 2010 11:53 pm

This is just frozen fluid in the lines. Mine's the same way, and won't change until we go above freezing tomorrow or the next day. It is almost certainly not related to your SES light.

Once the fluid is thawed, try adding some winter washer fluid with antifreeze. Next time it shouldn't freeze up on you.

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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 12:16 am

Aaron is right.
Remember, the fluid is very cleverly pumped from the frigid nether-regions of the wheel well, not the temperate climate beneath the bonnet...
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 8:27 am

Okay, thanks. I'll wait for it to warm up and hopefully it will be good. I literally just added some new fluid, but forget if it has antifreeze...and it didn't have time to get through the lines I'm sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 11:12 am

Yours is most likely just frozen, but for anyone with the same problem in non cold areas...also make sure the line from the motor to the sprayer isnt cracked. mine were a little dry rotted and finally cracked one day. i was just pumping washer fluid all over the motor and belts lol
A little electrical tape and she works w/out a problem now. my break was right past the resov before i goes to the firewall.

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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 2:17 pm

You know, when I've dealt with this issue on the Riviera, there's a "T" section in the line that leads out to the sprayers. Anyway, it's fitted on there and over time, I guess pressure was such that it loosened up and I washed my motor. I just gorilla glued in place and the problem was fixed.

That said, if you don't see fluid all over the motor, there could also be the possiblility that mold have accumulated in the lines and the best way to cure that is to take an air hose, siconnect the lines and blow them out. Living in the northwest, we're familiar with mold and mildew and i've see that be the case on more than one occasion
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 2:51 pm

Try it now. Bet it works. Mine did!

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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyThu Jan 14, 2010 10:02 pm

Yep, above 32 and working today! Gonna put in some better fluid.
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyThu Jan 14, 2010 11:27 pm

beninohio wrote:
Yep, above 32 and working today! Gonna put in some better fluid.

You can always dump that rotgut pint of Popov vodka over the fridge in there for antifreeze... joker
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyFri Jan 15, 2010 7:03 pm

Eldo wrote:
beninohio wrote:
Yep, above 32 and working today! Gonna put in some better fluid.

You can always dump that rotgut pint of Popov vodka over the fridge in there for antifreeze... joker

I wonder if Vanilla Schnapps would work... I haven't touched the bottle of that crap in my fridge since "the incident"...
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 10:44 pm

While checking out pix of the '05 PA exhaust, I thought of something else - Have any of you 'northern folk' looked at adapting the heated washer-fluid system to your cars?
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 10:47 pm

Eldo wrote:
While checking out pix of the '05 PA exhaust, I thought of something else - Have any of you 'northern folk' looked at adapting the heated washer-fluid system to your cars?

have not looked at heated washer fluid system and have *never* had the washer jets freeze up. I suspect their location on the cowl does not hurt.

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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 11:33 pm

albertj wrote:

I have not looked at heated washer fluid system and have *never* had the washer jets freeze up. I suspect their location on the cowl does not hurt.

Albertj

The heater is not for frozen jets, but rather for the ice on your windshield... I admit that it sounds like a recipe for a cracked windshield, but evidently they control the temperature precisely.

On the other hand, "ne-ver-mind"...
http://jalopnik.com/5043596/gm-recalls-950000-vehicles-for-heated-washer-fluid-problems
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 11:40 pm

Eldo wrote:
albertj wrote:

I have not looked at heated washer fluid system and have *never* had the washer jets freeze up. I suspect their location on the cowl does not hurt.

Albertj

The heater is not for frozen jets, but rather for the ice on your windshield... I admit that it sounds like a recipe for a cracked windshield, but evidently they control the temperature precisely.

On the other hand, "ne-ver-mind"...
http://jalopnik.com/5043596/gm-recalls-950000-vehicles-for-heated-washer-fluid-problems

In the fall I switch to a -20 antifreeze windshield fluid mix. Alternatively you can put in one or another of the washer fluid additives that claims melting ice.

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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyThu Mar 25, 2010 9:53 am

I use straight washer fluid year 'round.
I've never had it freeze on me. Not in the lines or nozzles.

Many years ago I worked at one of those quick lube places.
They bought washer fluid concentrate in 55 gal drums.
I used it straight, undiluted, and wow did that cut through the ice!
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyThu Mar 25, 2010 10:14 am

I only use the subzero stuff in the winter. Usually there is an ingredient such as ethanol or methanol in the winter stuff that I don't like spraying all over the paint and rubber parts of the car year round. So I only use it 2-3 months out of the year. Once it starts warming up, I use the Rain-X stuff for the rest of the year, which is good to 32ºF - but it freezes (it has) easily in winter.

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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptyThu Mar 25, 2010 4:17 pm

I suspect you'd be much better off running washer fluid in winter that will protect from freezing down to what you normally expect for low temps. Fluids freezing in a pump... not usually a good thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns   Freezing Washer Fluid Concerns EmptySat Apr 03, 2010 10:44 am

I can attest to fluid freezing in the washer system not being a good idea. My father had the regular mix in his Suburban and it got down to about -10 one night and that did the trick. Froze solid and cracked the tank, and the lines.
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