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PostSubject: L26 swap???? big questions   L26 swap???? big questions EmptyTue Feb 12, 2013 9:15 pm

ok so im plannin on late summer early fall on rebuildin my rivs engine and tranny. what are the pros and cons of the L26 bottom end swap?
what all is needed?
any suggestions, hints, trick?
im wanting to do my engine up for more performance and want the engine to handle what i throw at it. plands include ported supercharger, larger throttle body, bigger injectors, smaller pulley, headers, full exhaust, msd ignition coils and wires.
also any other suggestions for performance mods that will maintian my streetablity?
i drive a lot for work all accross the country (fix power plants for a living) and am open to any suggestion help
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PostSubject: Re: L26 swap???? big questions   L26 swap???? big questions EmptyWed Feb 13, 2013 5:41 am

I know others will say otherwise... Personally I would never put the money into a fresh rebuild on a 3800.. huge waste of money... find a low mile L26 (i found a few for $300 a few years ago when i was blowing motors up) I only needed the short block so i sold off the heads, intake and coils yada yada.. but keep a safe tune and don't go pulley crazy and you should be fine making some good power reliably for a long time
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PostSubject: Re: L26 swap???? big questions   L26 swap???? big questions EmptyWed Feb 13, 2013 9:35 am

I agree with Travis on the 'don't rebuild one'. There are so many used low mile ones out there it will save you a fortune.

Re: the L26 swap, I believe the blocks are so close to identical that it won't matter. You'll need to change all of the brackets and sensors over though. Have the two motors side by side on stands and swap over EVERYTHING. Little things like the tensioner brackets or an idler pulley can look similar but be just different enough to throw you off.

The stock 3800 bottom end is a great motor. If you are going to make grand plans for the engine first build up your transmission.

Maintain Streetability means different things to different people. I had a VS cam and headers in my motor and it loved everything I could throw at it down to a 3.2 pulley, and still runs great today. It's very "streetable" and still can really go if you need it to go. If you are going for more power than that you need to consider a bigger cam, some head porting, then you start sitting on the cusp of breaking parts.
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PostSubject: Re: L26 swap???? big questions   L26 swap???? big questions EmptyWed Feb 13, 2013 1:55 pm

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I know others will say otherwise... Personally I would never put the money into a fresh rebuild on a 3800.. huge waste of money...
I will say otherwise, for a few reasons.

1) You learn what went wrong. You might think you know, but you never really do until you have it torn down. Example: my engine was knocking from a bad bearing, but there was no way to tell that bearing was caused by a piece of chipped piston jammed into the head - until we checked. The suspected oiling issue quickly become a fueling issue. Also it tells a story of your engine's life and condition.

2) It's not that expensive. I paid less than $1600. Sounds like a lot, but this is one of the cheapest engines to rebuild. Considering this engine will likely last another 10 years or 250k miles, that's $160/yr or about 1/2 penny per mile. Nowadays $1600 gets you a set of tires for a truck, a set of nice rims. Would you rather spend $1600 on a used car?

3) Great opportunity to mod. Sure, you can put mods on that old $300 junk yard motor, but I found it more satisfying to bolt those shiny new parts on a clean, freshly rebuilt block. It's like a completely new engine, really it is a new engine. Plus, my builder knocked off a few dollars since I supplied a few go-fast parts in place of the ones he'd normally buy.

4) A "seasoned block". Being cast iron, my tried-and-true 250k mile block has been heat cycled so many times, the iron is "set", it's guaranteed strong. My block always had clean oil and fresh coolant. Buying a 30k mile junk yard engine you don't know how good the block will be, and buying a 100k mile junk yard engine you don't know how well it was taken care of.

5) Warranty: most engine builders will stand by their work. Mine promised me no problems for 12 mo or 12,000 miles in writing. This is standard for most rebuild services. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it works for a year, it's probably a good build.

6) In keeping your old block you actually waste less, so it's not a "huge waste" for sustainability's sake. Reusing means you won't need to dispose of, sell, or let it sit in the back yard rusting forever. It's not going to save the world, but it is one less block that needs to be recycled.

Can't argue, $300 for a junk motor is definately the cheapest way to go. But most engines I found were $1000 or more - might not find that cheap one when you need it. For reasons above I spent my money on the rebuild. And it only took 3 days. There's something to be said for a good rebuild service.

Okay, I'm done. Later!

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PostSubject: Re: L26 swap???? big questions   L26 swap???? big questions EmptyWed Feb 13, 2013 2:32 pm

How streetable do you need to be? You can make pretty good power from this engine while keeping mods pretty much undetectable but there's things to get and things to avoid if that's what you're shootin' for. Not mentioned yet, I would figure out exactly what you're going to do to tune the car before touching anything major. You don't want to be playing with stuff and then be lookin' for a tune after. If you're going to tune yourself, you need to get the equipment and get experience with it, again, before you alter the engine. You'll thank yourself later.
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PostSubject: Re: L26 swap???? big questions   L26 swap???? big questions EmptyWed Feb 13, 2013 9:34 pm

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I know others will say otherwise... Personally I would never put the money into a fresh rebuild on a 3800.. huge waste of money...
I will say otherwise, for a few reasons
tongue for the young buck on a budget.. L26 lower is the way to go. More power and cheaper! I miss my 3800's.. I need to keep a daily driver around.. i switch cars monthly it seems haha
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PostSubject: Re: L26 swap???? big questions   L26 swap???? big questions EmptyWed Feb 13, 2013 11:54 pm

the single greatest mod to the Riv including power mods is to completely redo the suspension.kill the OEM ass mushing rubber thingies and you have a truely incredible car that can hang with just about anything when the road gets twisty. the power of the Riv comes alive when shes really well suspended. all the power mods in the world arnt going to do jack for you when the corners pop up all of a sudden n shit!
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