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PostSubject: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:14 am

I don't care if this topic gets merged with the other one, but I need help! Before I make the purchase, I need to know if anyone has either of these speakers:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000MPFJPY/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ARKIXFDF7XJLA&v=glance

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installed in their Riv, do they have the same clip connector as the factory speakers, or do they have to be soldered and wired and such? I think I'll save myself $80 by bolting in and connecting the 5-1/4", and 6"x9" speakers on my own if it's simple, as in only if they have the same connection as the factory ones do. Then I'll have GeekSquad hook up the amp to all four. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:16 am

i just twisted the speaker wire together and put a cap on it and it sounds PERFECT i love it
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:17 am

yeah what he said... ^^^
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:18 am

oh and they wont sound that great until you get a better head unit. but when you do... they sound amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:19 am

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oh and they wont sound that great until you get a better head unit. but when you do... they sound amazing.

i have my stock head unit AND i have 2 12 inch subs off a 1000 watt amp...........

who really needs a aftermarket ugly head unit rolleyes rolleyes

id only get a 6 inch indash touchscreen one happy
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:20 am

Well i thought the quallity of the stock unit was very lacking... and i like the look of my unit...theyre usually only ugly if you go cheap...
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:36 am

The speakers will not have the factory connectors included. They will likely come with "quick disconnect" style connectors like these:



Cut the wires to the stock speakers at the terminals. Splice those wires and crimp on the supplied connectors. This way you can connect the factory connector to your new speaker, then plug into the existing wiring.

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i just twisted the speaker wire together and put a cap on it and it sounds PERFECT i love it

By "cap" I think you mean wire nut. It may sound perfect right now, but if it ever comes apart, it could be bad. I've had wire nuts come undone before. They are reliable with thicker, solid electrical wires, but not with thin, stranded speaker wires. For car stereo, use one of the following methods:

BEST: twist and solder wires, insulate with heat-shrink tubing.

GOOD: use crimp-style connectors with proper crimp tool.

OK: twist wires and wrap with electrical tape.

The stock head is lacking power, but with an amp it's sound quality can be very good, especially if you feed the signal through an EQ.

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:00 am

See i never heard potential in the stock unit... i have a very refined ear as ive been playing guitar for six years and was in a classical guitar ensemble for 2 and every CD sounded like it was burned imo.... the eq probably would help out a lot but i already had the sony unit... It sounds better than my dads bose system IMO although he still has more volume and bass but thats what subs and amps are for.... soon to come hopefully.
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:21 am

You can tell the difference between burned CDs and pressed ones?

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:26 am

Yeah... theres almost a fuzziness or muddiness to burned cds. that is less present in pressed ones... i also can usually hear the difference between higher budget recordings and lower ones... took years of playing music though before my ear became aware of it.. like most people cant hear the difference between guitars either but i can usually pick what kind of guitar it is by listening to it....
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:51 am

I too can hear the difference in high vs. low budget recordings, and if I knew what I was looking for, I think I could tell different types of guitars. I can also tell the difference between head units. But I cannot tell a pressed CD from a burned one. I cannot even tell uncompressed format from an MP3 converted at high (192kbps) bit rate. I tried listening to several pairs of tracks with Sony MDR-V headphones in a quiet room, trying to identify differences, but could not.

If your ears are as sensitive as you say, I think an aftermarket head could make a difference to you. I don't think most others will appreciate the difference, though. I also think that once you turn the car on and start rolling down the road, it will be difficult for even your trained ears to hear the subtle nuances that come from an aftermarket head, or a pressed CD, etc.

What is your basis for thinking the stock head is a weak link in the CSII sound system?

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:13 am

So I have to cut them here, marked in red, and then connect the new speaker wires to that? Is it the same deal for the 5-1/4"s?





Thanks a lot for your help, and when I do get the speakers you guys may have just saved me $80 in installation fees!
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:19 am

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the front speakers. The 6x9"s are different because the connector is mounted to the speaker itself. For the rears, you'd be better off just cutting the wires ahead of the connectors, where the insulation is, and crimping the quick-disconnect type connectors on. You won't use stock connectors, but that's ok.

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:28 am

Well After replacing the Speakers with aftermarket ones it still had that muddiness... The sony has much clearer highs IMO and the fact that it didnt want to play more than one song at a time and sometimes none at all led me to believe it wasn't all that great of a unit.
It is true.. unless you can really tell the difference theres no reason to buy an aftermarket unit... but i thought it was a huge difference...and it could be since the stock unit was underpowered it wasn't able to deliver higher volume sound clearly...but yeah buy what sounds good to you . I've actually heard people say they can't tell this difference in aftermarket head units ( not 50 dollar ones like 90 and up ones)
As for the burned CD thing i do notice that they also get considerably less volume , but again it could have something to do with the way certain cd players read them or the quality of downloaded music from limewire but even the itunes songs don't seem as a good as pressed disks when burned.. And for the record i thoroughly believe in supporting the artists
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:50 am

Let me pull a little John Madden here:

Ok, so you take the scissors and cut the wire there, then you take the speaker and undo the bolts, take it out, then you can use a sledgehammer or something there cuz hey, it's just an old speaker! So then you go and take the new speaker, don't smash that one up, bolt it in, then you use the quick connector piece and put the wires together, I don't know if it's positive or negative. I'm a football guy, not a math nerd, huh-hey!! So then you, then you go wire it up, then the 757 comes in for a landing, and you move your defense up there, the other team's gonna run around a bit, and there you go!


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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:56 am

Sounds like your stock head may be broken if it doesn't play the tracks.

I believe in spending $$$ on a good head if you are competing, you are a music professional, or if you have the desire to hold listening sessions in your car without the engine running. But for the average listener, who wants to listen to music while driving, hooking up an amp to the stock head using a good high/low converter isn't that bad.

The point I'm trying to make is, the car audio industry likes to tell people to buy head units because "all stock heads are crap", which simply isn't true anymore. Our OEM head is the same one used to source the externally amplified Monsoon system used in the Regal and Grand Prix. It's designed for the capability to deliver sound quality with the help of amplification.

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:01 am

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Let me pull a little John Madden here:

Ha-ha, funny stuff. You got the right idea.

As mentioned, use a 1.5v battery to test the polarity of the speaker after you remove it. + side of battery on + speaker terminal will make the speaker move out (forward). Then check color of insulation and mark the corresponding + wire. Make sure you snip the wires so you leave a little insulation on the speaker for identification.

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:04 am

Alright then! If the connector thingy doesn't come with instructions or I can't figure it out, I'll ask here. Thanks a lot, AA! Speaking of which, should I use an AA battery or a D cell?
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:05 am

Any 1.5V battery will do.

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:42 pm

I don't know if this is too late. If you don't want to cut the wires, you can use a connector like this http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?search=speaker+harness&i=12071014. It just plugs inton the stock connector and then has two wires that will plug into the speaker.

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:50 am

So the connector goes to the wires coming out of the insulation, and then the two wires crimp onto the new speakers? I haven't ordered them yet, but I'll definetly get those! Are they for just the front, back, or will they work on all 4 speakers?
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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:22 pm

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So the connector goes to the wires coming out of the insulation, and then the two wires crimp onto the new speakers? I haven't ordered them yet, but I'll definetly get those! Are they for just the front, back, or will they work on all 4 speakers?

The connector plugs into the black piece that is connected to the yellow and brown wires in this picture . You will see it better when you unplug it. You then just slide the connectors onto the speaker terminals. They will only fit on one way. They will work for sure on the back speakers, but they didn't work for my front speakers. On my car the speaker wire was soldered onto the front speakers and then used a quick disconnect for the tweeter.

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:09 pm

I just put in intinity's in front, and kenwoods in back, it sounds awesome. all i need now is a sub, and to swap my old head for my new one with the ipod hookup
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PostSubject: Good deal on the forum recommended Infinity speakers   Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:51 pm

The speakers recommended on here (the 6x9 Infinity 9623i's and the 5.25" Infinity 5022i's) are on sale at Amazon for $278 combined. The only thing - I'm not sure if the price individually is for one speaker or for two. The combo package actually shows the 5022i and the 6022i - why the hell someone would buy one speaker of one size and another of a different then two of yet a different size makes no sense to me. It's much cheaper than the list price so I thought this might be helpful to someone.

Only problem that I just saw - there is only one 5022i left apparently but there are other sellers. One seller ends up costing about the same thing after shipping but it'd be nice if these said if they were pairs or individual speakers (I have to assume individual since there is only one speaker in the picture).

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PostSubject: Re: Infinity speakers, need help!   Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:01 pm

When I bought mine, they come in the authentic Infinity box and packaging. They're only sold in pairs when they're new.


For the 5022i's, buy them from Amazon. For the 9623i's, go to the listing for used and new, and the low item price(new) will be about $80 with $10 shipping, sold by MY_CYBERSHOPS. Buy from them, save yourself a hundred bucks.



Trust me, this'll be the best $150 you'll put into that Riv! If you need any help installing them, I forget whether or not I did a writeup but I remember how I did it so I'll be able to help.
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