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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 12:08 pm

Andrew, would you wanna take a farther-away pic of the setup and send me hole dimensions for mounting up eatons? wink
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 12:30 pm

Awesome man. Wayyyy more than I can do wink

I actually talked to the guy that I bought the case from. I asked him to pick the best one and send it to me. It was all black and gooey, but nothing a battery terminal cleaner (fine wire brush), a hot tank, and some brake cleaner couldn't fix. I was real happy with its condition. Can't wait to see it done.
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 9:58 pm

Is that supercharger Chuck's blower!?

Looks awesome!

here are some gen 3 and gen 5 port jobs!

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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyTue Jun 11, 2013 10:39 am

Hey, do you have plans on filling the silencers?? IMO mine were filled on my Gen V and with the 3.0 pulley that bitched whined! like ridiculous haha.. wink
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyTue Jun 11, 2013 10:41 am

T Riley wrote:
Hey, do you have plans on filling the silencers?? IMO mine were filled on my Gen V and with the 3.0 pulley that bitched whined! like ridiculous haha.. wink

Yes. Look at the bottom pictures of the blower. He cut out a giant square section to make room for a new lower plate. It will block off the silencer holes....

My blower is loud as hell now. Not sure if it's the Intake I have or what, but it screams. I can't imagine what it's going to sound like with those blocked off shocked
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T Riley wrote:
Hey, do you have plans on filling the silencers?? IMO mine were filled on my Gen V and with the 3.0 pulley that bitched whined! like ridiculous haha.. wink

Yes. Look at the bottom pictures of the blower. He cut out a giant square section to make room for a new lower plate. It will block off the silencer holes....

My blower is loud as hell now. Not sure if it's the Intake I have or what, but it screams. I can't imagine what it's going to sound like with those blocked off shocked

Ohhhh shitttt! I didn't realize thats where the plate was going dunce .. I love me a loud whining blower.. If ya know what I mean thumbsup
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyTue Jun 11, 2013 11:51 am

Travis, this will be similar to like what I did to Ztypes M62:
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This will be the 6th blower done like this. And with any luck I can get it to scream like the M62 does. I've had people pull aside when entering the highway because it sounds like a siren. The only thing that sounds like my modified M62s would be a KB mustang blower.

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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyTue Jun 11, 2013 12:16 pm

Karma wrote:
Travis, this will be similar to like what I did to Ztypes M62:
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This will be the 6th blower done like this. And with any luck I can get it to scream like the M62 does. I've had people pull aside when entering the highway because it sounds like a siren. The only thing that sounds like my modified M62s would be a KB mustang blower.

That is awesome. lol !! It looks like you put a great amount of time and work into these! Keep up the good work sir cool
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What kind of measured performance increase do you see wth the M62 ported? Any MPG increase as well? ....other benefits?

Also, curious, what do you charge for this work and what's the turnaround? (I assume you can do this for a fee?)


Nice work! smile


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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyWed Jun 12, 2013 11:08 am

Looks like everyone will be shipping out their blowers for some Karma lovin!!! :DYEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWW
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyWed Jun 12, 2013 3:20 pm

al_roethlisberger wrote:

What kind of measured performance increase do you see wth the M62 ported?  Any MPG increase as well?   ....other benefits?

Also, curious, what do you charge for this work and what's the turnaround?  (I assume you can do this for a fee?)


Nice work!  smile







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Looks like everyone will be shipping out their blowers for some Karma lovin!!! :DYEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWW





(New thread to keep Abaddon's clean)
https://rivperformance.editboard.com/t10165-fs-karma-kustoms-blower-service#161376

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lookin good Scotty
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So, I finally decided to align my front end last night. I figured it was time considering I replaced everything. I oblonged the upper strut holes before the alignment to get a little more negative camber. I ended up setting it at -.8* Camber, and .10* Toe for both front wheels. I didn't realize how friggin off it was before lol. Don't all cars have bump-steer??? scratch

Had to torch the tie rod jam nuts (glowing red) to get them to move. I broke a 1/2" extension AND my 3 foot long 1/2" ratchet...broke it off right near the head. Stupid Matco. Since we no longer have a Matco guy, looks like it'll be replaced with a Snap-On today headbutt
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyWed Jun 26, 2013 9:55 am

Why not go Craftsman? If anything non-powered breaks just take it in to a Sears and they'll hand you a brand new one no questions asked.
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matt270avian wrote:
Why not go Craftsman? If anything non-powered breaks just take it in to a Sears and they'll hand you a brand new one no questions asked.

Matco is lifetime guarantee on hand tools as well. No offense to Craftsman at all, they do make really nice tools to keep in the garage. I actually have a lot of Craftsman tools, but I don't use any of them at work. Everything I have is Matco, MAC, or Snap-On. I started out using Craftsman because of the affordability. However, if you use them every single day, they break, stretch, chrome peels off, etc. Same goes for Matco. I've been phasing out all of my Matco stuff for Snap-On because I've found that the Matco stuff doesn't last either.
Besides, we have mobile tool trucks that show up once a week. They come to us....
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Ah, when one of dad's friends passed we got all of his tools. Most of them were Craftsman, and they've been fine for us. But then again, you would probably use everything a lot more often than we do. There have been times when I've been worried about breaking a socket or two, but they've held up wonderfully.
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matt270avian wrote:
But then again, you would probably use everything a lot more often than we do.

8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week wink
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I love craftsman tools, but Abbadon is right on - used day in day out there's nothing like Snap-On. Craftsman is great for the home garage/part time mechanic. I can head down to my local sears anytime for replacements. If you are full time, you need Snap-On.

Craftsman is cheaply made nice tools. Snap-On is well made nice tools. Matco and Husky are nice tools for contractors who lose tools a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyTue Sep 03, 2013 12:15 pm

Right. Huge update here. 78 images.
This past long weekend I finally got a chance to finish up Abaddon's blower. (Sorry its taken so long.)

We left off last with the pocket being finished and the bolt bosses removed:
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Now its time to make up the insert plate. Found a *very* nice bit aluminumn. This stuff is sold by the square inch, so you lucked out getting it. It should match the thermal properties of the blower almost exactly. First we mount it up and square it off:
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Finish up the width:
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Make sure it fits:
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And cut the length:
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Cut the rounds on the corners:
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And all finished:
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It even fits!:
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Mounted and ready to surface:
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Giving it a shave with a fly-cutter:
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And all done. Easy to get a nice finish with such a nice bit of material:
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Next is pocketing. The edges here are what keeps the plate from moving in the very rare chance that the cold weld lets go.
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Cut:
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Rounding:
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And finished:
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And fit into place. The back end is left open and the H-bar is removed from the blower so the option is there to run an intercooler. I know Abaddon currently doesn't have one, but now the option is there for the future. With no intercooler, just plop it on, maybe trim the gasket a bit, and it will be fine too.
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Next a rough V is cut into the new insert plate, and its cold welded into the pocket. Then clamped in place:
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The rough outlet its dried:
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And mounted up in the mill. I was thrown for a second because the angles weren't matching up. The m62 is exactly 15 degrees from centerline. Aparently the m90 is 20. The twist is the same, but the rotors are a larger diameter, which makes the different angle where the rotors touch the casing. I must have worked this out previously for the other blowers that I'd done, but I'd compleatly forgotten.
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Starting the edge matching:
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And opening to the port size:
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Running the edge profile:
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And finished outlet geometry. The tip of the triangle shifts the airstream slightly(IMO), as well as opens up the same area that we closed on the scilencer ports.
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Closeup. You can see how similar the insert metal is to the casting:
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Another pic:
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Next is the inlet boring. This needed to be opened to 75mm. First, you can see the stock casting flaws:
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To do this, the casing it mounted square to the back of the machine. The head is set to an angle of 7 degress which is the angle the inlet is on for the m90. Then the center of the stock machined inlet is found, and the surface is indicated to make sure we are right on target:
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Then the boring head does its thing as we little by little pull it out to the needed size:
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We can only bore in so far before it needs to be finished by hand. The inlet starts to shift up so it can enter at the top ends of the rotors. From here our new machined size needs to be blended, and the size taken right into the inlet:
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And general cleaning up on the inlet:(We will revisit the inlet later.)
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Moving to the outlet, here is how it sits:
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The shapes that can't be machined need to be done by hand. Starting by knocking off the edges we don't want with a carbide burr bit:
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And some work on the inside shear edge:
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Then its 80 grit time on the inlet:
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80 grit on the outlet:
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120 on the outlet:
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120 on the inlet:
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Outlet to 1000:
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Inlet and outlet done. Enjoy the shine, because later we trade beauty for function.
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Time to get the old bearings out. Q letter drill, 1/8 NPT tap, a half cut 1/8 NPT tap, and a 1/8 npt grease nipple.
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Drill and tap:
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And pump in grease to pop them out. No pics of that. Grease is messy.

Now time for the new stuff. This blower is getting a thermal barrier treatment on the inlet/outlet and dry film lube on the rotor bores. Thermal modeling has been done on eaton blowers and one of the biggest hotspots is right where the airstream hits the "hump" of the inlet to divert up to the rotor tips. This blower is getting its inlet coated in a thermal barrier to remove this hot spot. This should help keep the air as cool as it was when entering the blower, even if its heat-soaked. The outlet also gets the same treatment. Here is the coating:
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Also the rotor bores are going to get a DFL coating similar to what is used on bearings and piston skirts. It shouldn't change the tolerances at all, and is designed to burnish in on rotation. I'm not sure it will make any measurable difference, but its something to try out and can't hurt.

Both coatings get baked on at 300F for one hour. Thats where we find out if the blower and new insert plate are similar enough by way of thermal expansion to stay together. smile

So first masking off for the thermal barrier:
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And surfaces prepped, and coated per instructions:
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Inlet was also done, but I only have after baking pics. Inlet was interesting to do in such an enclosed space so it went on evenly and didn't run. But it turned out very well.

Then after dry time, masking was done for the rotor bores:
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The DFL on the rotor bores turned out to be a major pain. The coating is very thin, and was hard to get in the enclosed space evenly without it running. I had a couple of runs, but its really visual. Even after cooking, the DFL coating can be rubbed, so we will let the rotors do their thing when they are installed.

After baking:
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You can see some slight running at the top here:(Also note new pressed in bearings.)
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And where I first tried to rub it out, only to decide to let to let the rotors sort it out. The DFL was just a bonus anyway.
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You can see some very slight shift marks here from the heat up and cool down. The machined together edges are still pretty much perfect, which is impressive considering there are three different materials squashed together there. Cast blower, insert plate, and cold weld. For it to just barely barely move heating up to 350F and down again is pretty damn good IMO:
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And thermal coated inlet:
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Finally the finished blower casing with new stainless hardware and bits: New snout bolts are properly sized, and bottom two are slightly shorter since we removed the bolt bosses. Plus they look sweet.
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Abaddon, I'd replace the PCV if I were you, since it was left in when you tank dipped it. I removed the plastic spark arrester before baking and replaced it again. The rotors might be a little snug when you slide them, but give them bit of a spin to get the DFL worked in and they should be fine. And as I mentioned over PM, inspect your existing rotor pack well before putting it in. Check specifically the tips of the rotors and look for any "tipping" of the shafts. The two shafts should be fairly solidly interlocked with each other with minimal tipping back and forth. The pack bearings should also feel smooth.

And post running vids when installed. This *should* be one of the best ported gen 3 M90 superchargers out there. The only thing that could make it better would be if it started life as a GenV, but even still its thermal properties should be fantastic. It won't be any m62, but it should also scream pretty good too. smile

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That's insane. Are you going to polish or paint the housing itself? I've heard that the polish loses it's shine pretty quickly but a good coat of paint should last awhile.
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Wow! so much work! Incredible!
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holy crap. Abaddon, you lucky dog.
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yay  Karma...I left the PCV in there?? LOL what an idiot dunce I was in such a hurry to get it cleaned up and shipped out I totally forgot about it. The blower looks amazing. I can't wait to get it installed. It's going to take some time to do so. I don't want any coolant flowing through that thing, so I have to block off the coolant passages on the LIM and open up the "wall" on the side of it to let the coolant flow to the rear head. I should be able to start it on a Friday night, let the filler dry, and reassemble on a Saturday. While it's all apart, I'm replacing the valve springs, valve seals, and valve cover gaskets (which are WELL beyond gone).
So, it might be a bit before it all gets done. I will definitely post an "after" video of it.

I might just buy a set of known good rotors, and a rebuilt snout to go with it all. I think I'll try Intense's machined snout, as I'm sure they're tested for function, and they're only $50. Yes, I know they aren't rebuilt except for a new snout seal.

There will be a few more alterations to the car, and of course a lengthy tuning process to get the MAF table correct. I'm pretty sure it'll be flowing quite a bit more air twisted 

I'm not going to paint or polish it at all. It's going to stay with the stock appearance. Matt, go back a few pages and look at the Gen V I polished. I don't think I need the extra task of keeping it shiny under the hood. My Riv certainly isn't a show car, it's just a go car....
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.....Oh man! dat cahs gonna be fohkin fast!
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PostSubject: Re: Abaddon's Riv   Abaddon's Riv - Page 10 EmptyTue Sep 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Abaddon wrote:
I don't want any coolant flowing through that thing, so I have to block off the coolant passages on the LIM and open up the "wall" on the side of it to let the coolant flow to the rear head. I should be able to start it on a Friday night, let the filler dry, and reassemble on a Saturday.
I find drilling and tapping in a couple of boiler plugs works great for plugging the TB coolant holes in the LIM.  Or I guess you can just JB weld in a couple of dimes. smile Opening up the wall a bit is a good idea.  Good thing though that Series 2 isn't as bad as the Series 1.  On the 1 you actually have to drill a new passage in one of the walls as blocking the holes halts ALL flow for a section of the LIM.

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