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PostSubject: temp   Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:25 pm

my steering wheel bracket broke just like jacks. I used the brand quik steel to fix it. jb weld did not work for me, it is hard to get a thick layer of it. also jb weld has a lower tensile strength and is not as flexible as quik steel. I have like half an inch of quik steel all around the bracket.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Thu May 25, 2017 6:53 pm

Mine was fine. Thankfully. But i did Larry's mod anyway, just as a preventive measure. A little loctite on the threads and we're good to go.

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PostSubject: "The 10 cent solution" for the truly lazy   Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:02 pm

I have the 10 cent solution for those who...A) don't plan on keeping the car till both doors fall off, and B) are probably the solo driver who's not likely to ever move the steering wheel up or down again, and C) take the pledge NOT to use the wheel as an aide to swinging inside and outside of the driver side door and D) really, REALLY admire the creative genius of those who've done the correct modification and posted fantastic pictures and descriptions.  A tip of the kepi blanc to you.

It was hot, I'm dealing with the frustration of swapping a motor in a Toyota for my son, and my daily driver is falling into disrepair due to helping others.  So it was late on a Sunday, and I got the dash apart again, breaking the lower plastic housing (Buick soft trim and I don't get along well) since I wasn't aware that there were 3, not 2, 3/16" bolts that I was lucky enough to free with a nutdriver and not a socket, as it probably wouldn't fit (and thanks to the tipster who gave me that...just add that there are THREE bolts on the underside (and THREE on top)).  The last is cleverly hidden by the locking arm release knob...just have to get upside down with a flashlight to find it.  Anyway, it was late and hot, and I did indeed find the right pin dislodged.  Simply pushed it back in by adjusting the wheel.  Popped in easy peasy.  Noted the purple smudge put on by the factory and noted 3 peening marks.  But I just wasn't up for finding the metal brace and tapping a bolt hole in aluminum, and decided to do the zip tie modification.  Found my last zip tie and wrapped it around, snugged it up and cut the excess.  And noting that there was just a smidge of play, went to the coin holder and slipped in a dime.  Wish I found a 2017 Roosevelt dime to put in there to reminds the next owner or junkyard finder or anthropologist who'll probably wonder "WTF is a coin doing there"...assuming WTF survives the Webster or Oxfor dictionary.  Enclosed are, hopefully, pictures of the modification and "what not to do" to plastic lower steering column housings when it's hot and you're frustrated.


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:49 pm

Christen wrote:
really, REALLY admire the creative genius of those who've done the correct modification and posted fantastic pictures and descriptions. A tip of the kepi blanc to you.

Likewise, and I admire your thrift. This is very clever! I hope you added a dab of epoxy or RTW to the other side of the coin, or you may find Roosevelt on your floor mat someday (hopefully not).

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:28 pm

AA wrote:

Christen wrote:
really, REALLY admire the creative genius of those who've done the correct modification and posted fantastic pictures and descriptions.  A tip of the kepi blanc to you.


Likewise, and I admire your thrift. This is very clever! I hope you added a dab of epoxy or RTW to the other side of the coin, or you may find Roosevelt on your floor mat someday (hopefully not).

After you epoxied that thing in place, you might not have to talk to it again (ever). Were the pins supposed to be removable for some reason?
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:37 pm

It appears they pressed the pins into sleeves in the inside bracket using a force fit, letting the pin pivot in the outside bracket hole. In theory, the pins would be held in by friction, but for whatever reason, the interference was not sufficient to keep it there. The pins loosen and fall out.

The pins were designed to be removed with a puller tool that interfaces with a threaded hole in the insert.

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3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
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EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:45 pm

So, seeing as my steering wheel is only loose slightly on the left. Would I be able to Hopefully push the pin back in? I'm the only one that uses my car so, I really don't have a concern about it completely falling apart(fingers crossed), I just want it nice and tight like I felt when I was inside that '99 model year at the junkyard! It felt great!!
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:39 pm

9ty7rivi wrote:
So, seeing as my steering wheel is only loose slightly on the left. Would I be able to Hopefully push the pin back in? I'm the only one that uses my car so, I really don't have a concern about it completely falling apart(fingers crossed), I just want it nice and tight like I felt when I was inside that '99 model year at the junkyard! It felt great!!

Ha! pull the column on the '99, you'll have a hunk of unobtainium that you can re-sell.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:40 pm

AA wrote:
It appears they pressed the pins into sleeves in the inside bracket using a force fit, letting the pin pivot in the outside bracket hole. In theory, the pins would be held in by friction, but for whatever reason, the interference was not sufficient to keep it there. The pins loosen and fall out.

The pins were designed to be removed with a puller tool that interfaces with a threaded hole in the insert.

...my guess is, the inside bracket is softer metal, and the hole enlarges over time for one or more reasons.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:34 pm

The inside bracket is sleeved, which is typically hardened steel to avoid that issue. But they did show a few thou of wear. The pins were identical, indicating they were made from harder material that did not wear.

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EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:50 am

AA wrote:
The inside bracket is sleeved, which is typically hardened steel to avoid that issue. But they did show a few thou of wear. The pins were identical, indicating they were made from harder material that did not wear.

I think I get it. Sleeves soft enough to be inserted ni that pot metal, let go after a while. Sigh...
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:58 am

albertj wrote:

9ty7rivi wrote:
So, seeing as my steering wheel is only loose slightly on the left. Would I be able to Hopefully push the pin back in? I'm the only one that uses my car so, I really don't have a concern about it completely falling apart(fingers crossed), I just want it nice and tight like I felt when I was inside that '99 model year at the junkyard! It felt great!!


Ha!  pull the column on the '99, you'll have a hunk of unobtainium that you can re-sell.

I need too make some of my money back! mad I plan on stripping the majority of these 5 rivieras in my area and posting on EBAY! If I have extra parts and their need here, Just let me know.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:40 pm

Do they have the stainless wheel arches? I was making a deal on some with another lister but he's kinda tied up, which I understand.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:40 pm

Ugh. I have forgotten how to get the dash pad and dash fascia off.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:49 am

First, remove the black filler panel under the dash ledge. There are 6 or 7 retainers securing it. Use a small phillips screw driver to push up on the center button of each retainer, one click. Then pull the retainer out, repeat for the others. Remove the filler panel.

Pry off each side panel of the dash by opening both car doors. Be careful of the plastic tabs, I believe you pry from the bottom. Remember the passenger side panel is also secured by a single 7mm screw accessible by opening the glove box. Remove a single 7mm screw holding the dash fascia under each panel.

Remove 6 or 7 7mm screws at the top of the fascia towards the back of the dash. Put the wheel in full tilt down. Pull the fascia forward and disconnect the headlight switch and T/C/Odometer switch. Remove the fascia.

The knee bolster is now removable. 2 bolts up top and 2 below. You can now access all the screws holding the clam shell together.

REMEMBER, when re installing the fascia. There are tabs at the top of the fascia and tabs for the upper ledge. The tabs for the fascia go BEHIND the tabs for the upper ledge. The retainer screws go through both tabs. If you reverse this, the holes for the filler panel will not line up. To reinstall the retainers, push on the back stem of the retainer so that the center button extends above the face of the retainer. Insert the retainer and push down on the center button.

Good luck.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:12 am

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First, remove the black filler panel under the dash ledge.  There are 6 or 7 retainers securing it.  Use a small phillips screw driver to push up on the center button of each retainer, one click.  Then pull the retainer out, repeat for the others.  Remove the filler panel.

Pry off each side panel of the dash by opening both car doors.  Be careful of the plastic tabs, I believe you pry from the bottom.  Remember the passenger side panel is also secured by a single 7mm screw accessible by opening the glove box.  Remove a single 7mm screw holding the dash fascia under each panel.

Remove 6 or 7 7mm screws at the top of the fascia towards the back of the dash.  Put the wheel in full tilt down.  Pull the fascia forward and disconnect the headlight switch and T/C/Odometer switch.  Remove the fascia.

The knee bolster is now removable.  2 bolts up top and 2 below.  You can now access all the screws holding the clam shell together.

REMEMBER, when re installing the fascia.  There are tabs at the top of the fascia and tabs for the upper ledge.  The tabs for the fascia go BEHIND the tabs for the upper ledge.  The retainer screws go through both tabs.  If you reverse this, the holes for the filler panel will not line up.  To reinstall the retainers, push on the back stem of the retainer so that the center button extends above the face of the retainer.  Insert the retainer and push down on the center button.

Good luck.

Thank you thank you!


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:30 am

You're Welcome Albert, shouldn't take you long, I've done it several times between the dash kit and fixing the wobbly column. Let us know how you make out.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Steering Column Slop, Problems & Replacement   Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:58 am

LARRY70GS wrote:
You're Welcome Albert, shouldn't take you long, I've done it several times between the dash kit and fixing the wobbly column.  Let us know how you make out.

I think I'll be OK. I wanted to fix my column, radio and HVAC head but had loaned out my body manual. I remembered it was pretty straightforward but for some reason (fatigue) got partway and could not remember how to get it out so I reassembled and posted. I am much better rested today.

I may install rubber tags, cut from a scrap bike innertube, under the mount points to get rid of an intermittent dash squeak, behind those screws/nuts, while I am in there. That way I am not tempted to tighten the screws down to the point of mount failure...

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