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matt270avian Expert
Name : Matt Age : 28 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2681 Merit : 54
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Wed May 20, 2015 12:14 am | |
| He saw some guy on Facebook selling one off of a GTP and got jealous | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Wed May 20, 2015 1:06 am | |
| mostly cost and fitment I was kinda hoping edelbrock would get back to me about my inquiry on their generic TVS 1740 they had a flyer for a while ago at sema but that didn't happen. I see whipples on ebay and whatnot but I don't like how they are usually old obscure application kits that they want stupid amounts of money for. A guy I've been talking to is working on fitting a gt500 blower to a 3800 and that got me lookin around some more. I don't like how those blowers are set up at all - it doesn't work out so nice as the FGT blower aught to otherwise i'd go straight to the tvs version of that. As a side note, I might be alone on this one but i think those harrop htv castings are just freakin ugly lol. It's a shame because the generic style 1900 I think would really be the way to go if you wanted to spend the money on it. Anyway those are still 3x more expensive than what I paid for the FGT blower taken off a brand new crate motor. | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:53 am | |
| I'm holding off on going any further with the main adapter plate/ic business until I have a chance to see how much actual hood clearance I have and where it lines up the best for the belt. I'll have an opportunity to do that when I do my block swap in a couple weeks. That's the current plan assuming I'm the ballpark for lining up the belt and also assuming I go the Ed LaBarge route with the intercooler. With the amount of work I'll be doing on it, I might as well make it all myself but I don't want to redo the stuff that has already been done and works. That green 2D model is a gen 3 blower by the way. My intention is to take off the OEM pulley and fit a zzp/intense MPS hub to it. I don't know until I get the original pulley off but just by eye it actually looks like the same size shaft. Only thing is the pilot in the middle of the shaft you use to thread into and press on a pulley or hub isn't threaded on this blower, nor is it venting the gearbox - it's just a blind hole. The zzp modular pulleys should work really nice from what it looks like. The northstar flange is done basically. There was some minor revision but nothing worth fussing about. James and I came up with the idea as a joke to just make a setup to run a northstar and an L32 electric throttle body together and hot-wire the L32 one to open up when the primary northstar throttle body is all the way to 100% TP. What killed the joke was everything in front of the throttle body. Even though they're both 75mm blades, the northstar has a 4" opening. The L32 has a 3", not to mention I still need to get a maf in there somewhere. I hadn't really gotten anywhere good with another solution so for shits & giggles I decided to hack up a L32 throttle body and see if I can convert it to a mechanical and to my genuine surprise I'm actually getting somewhere with that. Behold the L32-northstar hybrid throttle body This is a bad picture (sorry) but the L32 tb has a kind of funky bore to it to provide finer part throttle control which makes sense since those cars don't utilize a discrete IAC circuit like the conventional cable throttle bodies. In any case the northstar blade even though it's just a tiny bit thicker seems to fine in there. I have the whole pivot shaft/throttle cable cam and everything in the L32 tb housing (after much hacking and machining). This is the side that was just blocked off with a pressed in plug. I removed the plug and then machined it to fit the northstar's spring retainer. I was doing all sorts of measuring and tricky b.s. with this just to find out that the existing bearing limits how far in I could machine the main step for the spring retainer and therefore the whole shaft assembly and it just happens to be at a depth that's pretty much perfect with respect to the throttle blade inside the bore. On the other end, I needed to cut the entire motor/gear/control unit right off and machine it to accommodate the northstar TPS. This involved the same kind of machine work as the other side but I also needed to make an adapter ring to mount on there since the housing didn't have the meat where I needed it to nicely mount the TPS. Plus, that gives me a piece I can alter for the tps positioning without messing with the rest of the housing. I will need to remake that actually because I was just a hair off with the clock angle of the tps but I was kinda figuring on that from the start. Now I just need to come up with something for the return springs to hook on since obviously there's no such peg on the L32 housing, a throttle close stop, and I need to come up with something for the cable bracket. That will more likely attach to the flange that both throttle bodies will mount up to. So if this pans out, I'll have dual 75mm throttle bodies for this thing and it'll have totally factory-like part throttle manners. Dual 3" shouldn't be that bad to collect into a 4" pipe situation for the maf and intake. This project is getting super fun! and random time... (since I accidentally uploaded it to my photobucket and it's 2am) | |
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Karma Aficionado
Name : Andrew Age : 40 Location : Ontario, Canada Joined : 2008-01-14 Post Count : 1949 Merit : 123
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:49 am | |
| OOO! very cool. I like the whole multi-stage throttle idea. _________________ | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:03 pm | |
| James showed me a way to move the alternator. I guess they did this on erics riv and it worked well. Basically if you get rid of one of the heater pipes on the tensioner, you have room to swing the alternator back away from the blower. Then I just make a bracket or two to bolt the other points with similar to a normal zzp alternator relocation. That bottom alternator bolt going through the tensioner into the head is the most structurally important and this maintains it so that's awesome. I'm going to hack off that heater connection at the red line and then plug it off. Then I remove the factory plug from the end and put in my own fitting. I made a fitting to go in there and let the original heater pipe seat in just like it does on the original fitting. It will move the heater hose back and around just a tad so hopefully it works without trouble but I can play with it if it's a problem. Only downside to this I see is it will make the rear spark plugs a bit harder to get to. I don't mind having to remove the alternator to do them but I just hope I don't need to disconnect a heater hose cause that would suck. I don't think it'll be that bad. | |
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:34 pm | |
| - I know you are one of the greatest gen8 Riviera pioneers to ever live, but..:
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damnjetski Amateur
Name : Christian Age : 41 Location : Costa Mesa Joined : 2013-12-17 Post Count : 40 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:30 pm | |
| I've been away for a bit, came back after my co-worker saw three gen8s in a row to check if y'all had inexplicably relocated to South LA... and saw this. Turtleman... just wow. Even with a 'smaller' throttle body, you're gonna be looking at some crazy gains. My question is, does it still count as a sleeper if it sounds like an F14? | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:09 am | |
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Karma Aficionado
Name : Andrew Age : 40 Location : Ontario, Canada Joined : 2008-01-14 Post Count : 1949 Merit : 123
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:01 am | |
| huh. You really wouldn't be able to pull this off if you didn't have the fabrication skills you do now. Feels good doesn't it? _________________ | |
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matt270avian Expert
Name : Matt Age : 28 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2681 Merit : 54
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:19 am | |
| Looks like you'll have to machine the snout down if you want to go any smaller than that. | |
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4316 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:27 am | |
| - matt270avian wrote:
- Looks like you'll have to machine the snout down if you want to go any smaller than that.
Captain Obvious, ladies and gentleman..... Awesome shit turtle. However, I can't help but to think that your heads are going to fly off with a pulley that small (on that blower). | |
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matt270avian Expert
Name : Matt Age : 28 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2681 Merit : 54
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:41 am | |
| - Abaddon wrote:
- Captain Obvious, ladies and gentleman.....
Defender of the known! | |
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Karma Aficionado
Name : Andrew Age : 40 Location : Ontario, Canada Joined : 2008-01-14 Post Count : 1949 Merit : 123
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:13 am | |
| - Abaddon wrote:
Awesome shit turtle. However, I can't help but to think that your heads are going to fly off with a pulley that small (on that blower). And then we will finally see what a CNC block girdle looks like... _________________ | |
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:05 pm | |
| I want that 2.7"!!!!
3.6" and 3.4" are on the way! | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:04 am | |
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matt270avian Expert
Name : Matt Age : 28 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2681 Merit : 54
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:35 am | |
| Lets play a game. It's called "Guess How Long Until He Blows It Up Again" | |
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4316 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:40 am | |
| - matt270avian wrote:
- Lets play a game. It's called "Guess How Long Until He Blows It Up Again"
Here's my thoughts on that... Yes Oh, and turtle, you realize that you're insane, right? I mean, we're all a bit insane, but, you sir....you're the king. | |
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:41 am | |
| - matt270avian wrote:
- Lets play a game. It's called "Guess How Long Until He Blows It Up Again"
Bro, with all due respect in our brotherhood, STFU. Cody is a pioneer. We all need to be saying prayers and give blessings to this renaissance. God speed, Turtleman That 3.6" looks BEEFY | |
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matt270avian Expert
Name : Matt Age : 28 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2681 Merit : 54
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:46 am | |
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:47 am | |
| NOT THIS TIME! LEAD THE WAY, TURTLEMAN!
IN TURTLE WE TRUST
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4316 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:07 am | |
| It's either going to run 11's, or it's going "kablooey". 11's is what we're all hoping for though. I doubt it'll explode. The amount of KR that it takes to go KABOOM is ridiculous. He'll know long before that point if it's too much blower. | |
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:13 am | |
| Exactly. Anyone smart enough to mod the 3800 to accept an FGT supercharger is smart enough to scan and prevent catastrophic disaster. ...right?
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matt270avian Expert
Name : Matt Age : 28 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2681 Merit : 54
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:24 pm | |
| Well it's been almost a month.... Where did you come from where did you go? | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:42 pm | |
| - matt270avian wrote:
- Well it's been almost a month.... Where did you come from where did you go?
Doing my motor - see tortuga thread Incidentally I'll be back to an L67 bottom end so it'll be begging for an oversized blower now. | |
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: FGT supercharger swap project Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:01 pm | |
| - turtleman wrote:
- matt270avian wrote:
- Well it's been almost a month.... Where did you come from where did you go?
Doing my motor - see tortuga thread Incidentally I'll be back to an L67 bottom end so it'll be begging for an oversized blower now. why no more L26? | |
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