Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:27 pm
99Rivman, Did the FelPro O-rings work. I'm going to swap my injectors soon and would like to know if I have to go to the dealer for proper O-Rings or not. Thanks
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Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:38 pm
Name : Nick Age : 40 Location : Brookfield, And If everything goes right A Nice big house in Bolingbrook with a big GARAGE Joined : 2008-07-20Post Count : 706 Merit : 0
Man I Should Probably do this Considereing I have 160k and they have never been cleaned or changed, at least the old lady I bought it form didnt beat on here it was babied to the miliage it has
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Name : Matthew Age : 38 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17Post Count : 4394 Merit : 101
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:07 pm
digging up an old thread, but i am doing this soon and the question asked on page 1 is still unanswered. so i'll ask it again: do you just let them soak and them spray them off with brake cleaner? what do you soak them in?
thanks, Matthew
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Name : Andrew Age : 40 Location : Ontario, Canada Joined : 2008-01-14Post Count : 1949 Merit : 123
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:36 am
I soaked mine in pure injector cleaner. From the first post in this thread I got the impression that they were soaked in brake cleaner....
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Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
Subject: ASNU Fuel Injector Cleaning Machine Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:52 am
I am toying with the idea of starting my own injector cleaning service. It requires no certification that i know of,and the ASNU machine is automatic and very easy to use. the machine does all this Features & Technical Specifications
Test & Service up to 8 injectors at one time LED Backlit Display Window Open Viewing Window for Injector Spray Comparison LCD Digital Operational Display Multi Language Selection Programme Glycerine Filled Pressure Gauge 0 - 10 Bar / 0 - 145 PSI (0.2 increments) Variable Pressure Regulator with "Boost Button" Universal Fuel Rail Accepts all Top Feed Injectors Adapter Blocks for Mono Point & Side Feed Injectors In-Line Flow Tubes for Easy Delivery Comparison "Up & Over" Tube Drain System (Lifetime Guarantee) Membrane Key Pad Operation Wide Range of Dynamic & Static Tests Dynamic Injector Resistance Check Injector "Shot" Counter Display Injector Run-Time Display Duty Cycle Display Run injectors up to 20,000 RPM High Performance Pump Upgrade Option In-Built Ultrasonic Cleaning System Removable Wiring Harness Manual & Automatic Cleaning Cycles Suitable for GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection) Suitable for Injected Motorcycles Suitable for Injected Marine Engines Suitable for LPG Injection For use on EVERY type of injector on the market Multi Voltage Power Input Nylon Coated Casing for Long Life Complete Parts and Accessories Programme Injector Service Tools
It might be a good way to make extra cash and knowing many in the auto world would be to my advantage. what yall think??
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Name : Andrew Age : 40 Location : Ontario, Canada Joined : 2008-01-14Post Count : 1949 Merit : 123
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:15 am
How much will it cost you to get something like that?
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Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:30 am
I'm not sure. So far i haven't been able to locate a price online.Ill call the distributor as soon as the hour rolls around.They are also available used. This is an area many shops don't get involved in? i cant understand why? could it be that chasing "other" problems is more rewarding? Beats the hell outa me..
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Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:48 am
My guess is because many online places can get great coverage by shipping the injectors around. Take that mrinjector.us site you referenced in other threads. Injectors are so small, it wouldn't be a problem for me to ship them mine from Canada. And the overall amount of work they do on each injector is great for only 16$ each.
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Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:53 am
very true. regarding mrinjector,he gave me an 1 extra of everything and on the o-rings a couple more. And $5 bucks from where i am is good. But I bet i could turn a profit servicing them. There are classes to take to teach you everything you need to know,but no certification that i can see.
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Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:20 am
Whoa! $ 7100 classic & junior 6100 Alot more than i thought. Still interested though
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Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:31 am
so for the junior you would have to clean 406+ injectors to break even @ 15$ per injector...
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Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:34 am
YUP! judging by the crooks that run garages here in this town,id have to say that customers wouldn't be hard to convince this service is Smart $s spent
albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31Post Count : 8687 Merit : 181
YUP! judging by the crooks that run garages here in this town,id have to say that customers wouldn't be hard to convince this service is Smart $s spent
IS there a price for injector removal/cleaning/oring refit that you could charge that lets the garages in town all sublet the injector work to you, at a price good for customers, and you/they still make fair profit? (compared to the in-the-car chemical injection?) Is there a bread-and-butter angle like a military or fleet contract you could get as basic income for the business?
Albertj
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Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24Post Count : 4316 Merit : 185
I was thinkin the same thing Albert. I don't know of anybody who has ever come into my shop and asked to have their Injectors removed and cleaned. However, we sell quite a few of the Fuel Injection/Induction services ($100). The system I have is newer than the one in the video I posted. Mine has a dual tank setup. One for the combustion stuff, and one for the intake stuff. Pull the fuel pump fuse or relay, and the car runs off of the cleaner, getting every single Injector clean. robo, you might want to consider something like this system instead of a bench setup.
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Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
YUP! judging by the crooks that run garages here in this town,id have to say that customers wouldn't be hard to convince this service is Smart $s spent
IS there a price for injector removal/cleaning/oring refit that you could charge that lets the garages in town all sublet the injector work to you, at a price good for customers, and you/they still make fair profit? (compared to the in-the-car chemical injection?) Is there a bread-and-butter angle like a military or fleet contract you could get as basic income for the business?
Albertj
Absolutely AJ. all those came to mind. I have a product brochure coming ,and ill find out all I need to know. It sounds like a good small business to get into
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Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
[quote="Abaddon"]I was thinkin the same thing Albert. I don't know of anybody who has ever come into my shop and asked to have their Injectors removed and cleaned. However, we sell quite a few of the Fuel Injection/Induction services ($100). The system I have is newer than the one in the video I posted. Mine has a dual tank setup. One for the combustion stuff, and one for the intake stuff. Pull the fuel pump fuse or relay, and the car runs off of the cleaner, getting every single Injector clean. robo, you might want to consider something like this system instead of a bench setup.
I looked at this set up too Abaddon. The ASNU system claims that the hardened deposits on the pintle and in the injector body can not be cleaned by this method. That only by removing them and immersing them in a sonic bath will do. Looking at the pics of before/after, this appears to be true.
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Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24Post Count : 4316 Merit : 185
That makes sense.....and you're right, it won't get the hardened deposits off. So, I suppose if the owner has neglected his car that long, he should pay the extra $$$ to have them all removed and cleaned. But, when it gets to that point, I would think that a shop would recommend having the Injectors replaced as opposed to cleaning. The shop would have to tell the customer that by bench cleaning, they could try and get them all back to perfect working condition.
I think that if you had a repair shop, having a machine like that would be beneficial to you. I just don't think that you would find enough clientele to actually make money, let alone pay for the machine from an independant small business point of view. Also, there are many, many cars out there that require removal of the upper and/or lower Intake manifolds just to access the Fuel rail/Injectors. Certain cars would be around $1000 to do.....I certainly wouldn't pay that much if new parts weren't being installed.
Some of you are going to come back with, "you work in a shop and are just saying that because it takes $$$ away from you". No I'm not. I'm just looking at the broad spectrum of the whole thing. To actually start a small business by bench cleaning Injectors would be a total loss IMO. It would take forever just to pay for the machine and start profiting. But, if you have the money to do so, I'd buy one. Just to have it.....it's awesome.
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Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
Many of the business that I've found online recommend having a second set of injectors.One being on the car while the other is serviced. Good point about "buried" injectors. The idea to have a second set to be serviced,and then to install them on some of the less accessible injector locations,Is definitely for the guy who is going to do the work themselves. many of these injector business wont touch your car. I don't blame em.
I cannot afford to buy new,if i buy at all.There is a healthy market selling used machines that I have to look into. It still might be a good idea. I could definitely come up with a price that is both beneficial to me as well as the shop.
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
Is definitely for the guy who is going to do the work themselves. many of these injector business wont touch your car. I don't blame em.
Right, I was also thinking that. The DIY mechanic could benefit from a service like that. Or, the ppl on this website (like AA has already said he has 6 for you). Also, as for a "fair" price for a shop to have it done.....everything that requires a sublet for a service that the shop doesn't perform (like your proposed machine) gets marked up like 30% on the shop side, which the customer will pay. This way, the shop makes money on your service that you just performed at a "reasonable" price. Basically, they get paid for doing nothing. This drives me nuts. I absolutely hate having to sublet work, as the customer gets raped on it.
I think your market would be more along the lines of performance guys and DIY-ers.
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Is definitely for the guy who is going to do the work themselves. many of these injector business wont touch your car. I don't blame em.
Right, I was also thinking that. The DIY mechanic could benefit from a service like that. Or, the ppl on this website (like AA has already said he has 6 for you). Also, as for a "fair" price for a shop to have it done.....everything that requires a sublet for a service that the shop doesn't perform (like your proposed machine) gets marked up like 30% on the shop side, which the customer will pay. This way, the shop makes money on your service that you just performed at a "reasonable" price. Basically, they get paid for doing nothing. This drives me nuts. I absolutely hate having to sublet work, as the customer gets raped on it.
I think your market would be more along the lines of performance guys and DIY-ers.
You are right it's often the case sublettors get $$ for nothing, on the order of 25-50%. In most cases that stinks, sometimes not.
Last time I had a windshield replaced (somebody lobbed a large rock at my spouse's car from an overpass, with the expected result; I never found out who) after I checked prices (surprisingly moderate, actually) I had the local GM dealer do it. Reason - they have a different (better) installer than the ones doing installs for (random) consumers; I don't have to argue with the installer over quality of work and cleanup, or opening a window a bit so the urethane does not pop when the doors are closed, or anything; and their scheduling was (much) better. They got their %% for the QC and the final price to me was in the middle of the pack. Granted this dealer has a pretty busy bodyshop so mine would not be the only 'shield sublet that day to the same guy (there is *one* instlaler they let touch their cars). This does not work for everybody or everything, and isn't there always one exception to a rule? Yes as a rule shops take a sublet chop for essentially nothing, when the quality of the sublet work is policed well by the sublettee.
I think in this case Robo's big competition is the chemical flush and it could be of some benefit to have sublettors. But I was just sayin' - I don't know the business and I don't hav a dog in that hunt so to speak.
Good luck!
Albertj
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Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:23 pm
Thanks for all the input people! I have the info packet coming in the mail and ill take a good look into all the particulars,special parts,extras..I think if i found a good used machine,I would give it a go. I'm sure that once I get a few jobs under my belt ,word will get around and business would trickle in ...These units have essentially everything you need to start right up,apart from the sonic cleaner and a few different manifolds for the odd injector..we'll see?
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:52 am
Looking for an affordable injector cleaning service that provided timely before/after flow testing and cleaning. So far best deal I found is witchhunter at $21/injector:
http://www.witchhunter.com/
Other options. Need the bench flow test service w/ before/after data.
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Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Cleaning Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:06 pm
I also let them soak in pure injector cleaner, and run pure injector cleaner through them. Having them off is a great time to test them.
Build a test bench using the rail, a fuel pump, some fuel hose, electrical wire, a bucket and a car battery. Doing ONEinjector at a time, place a measuring cup under the injector and do a timed spray test (10 sec should do it). Verify the spray pattern and output volume (mark the cup to make sure all are about the same). Replace any injectors with a huge variance or bad spray pattern. I use pure injector cleaner in the bucket, but some guys just use gasoline.