Paint Schemes/Rim Chops

Hi, not sure if any of you are savy with chopping pics...but if you are, could someone do me a favor and chop either my car itself or another white Riv with some Torque Thrust D's....yes I know they're RWD wheels, but I've always loved them. And maybe some smoked tailights. Thanks in advance

post a pic of ur car and the rims at the same angle as ur wheels in the pic and ill do it

try the newest gen 05 + mustang bullitt wheels, cheap and available in a offset thats pretty close to what the riv uses. 38-42 perhaps?

Grand prix guys are always using them. 5x114.3 instead of the 5x115

I'm in ur garage, painting ur car!!!







A guy getting out of that car could be worth any amount of money. If you didn't know it was a Riv, what would you think it was? People would naturally assume it was an expensive exotic.

I'd almost be afraid to drive this, it looks so rich. Put lambo doors on it and you wouldn't be able to stop anywhere without drawing a crowd. V8 sounds aren't enough for this car, it needs a V12

One of these days I will paint my Riv like this.

Reminds me of the Bugatti's paint scheme. Probably the reason it looks so expensive. Lots of horsepower to add before we're in that league, though.

I'd like to see the scheme reversed, like Bugatti did it:

I Likes that!!!!

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Reminds me of the Bugatti's paint scheme. Probably the reason it looks so expensive.

It is reminiscent of Bugatti, which isn't bad at all, but it is all good in and of itself.

Putting in my dash kit really taught me a lesson about monochrome. I didn't realize how plain it was until I had the chance to try it both ways. The eye does like to see areas of color broken up.

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I'd like to see the scheme reversed, like Bugatti did it:

Two-Tone (tutone?) Rivi's is like that. There's no way to bring the color down onto the rear flanks without going against the lines of the car. I agree that it is a good color pattern, one which I've also considered.

AA wrote:

Lots of horsepower to add before we're in that league, though.

It might be possible to do it for less than $15,000, if you go series hybrid.

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You'd need a battery/capacitor setup as an energy buffer, and surely you will agree that at this point the transmission upgrade is a necessity. But once done, this would be a simpler and more reliable solution than a gas motor and give you more power than you could ever want.

BTW, before someone suggests it, I'd recommend finding a place to put the generator inside the Riv. A trailer would look stupid.

I also don't know about this air-cooled diesel. There may be other options. I've seen someone suggest the jet turbines R/C guys use. He said they make up to 20 hp. Might be hard to start, but it would be so kick ass to have a couple turbines dumping jet noise out of a center exhaust like the one I showed earlier. I think they would be easy to mount around the electric motors.

they look good but i didnt paint the body lines

quote: "Two-Tone (tutone?) Rivi's is like that. There's no way to bring the color down onto the rear flanks without going against the lines of the car. I agree that it is a good color pattern, one which I've also considered."

I just meant reverse what you did, light on bottom, dark on top... like the Bugatti in a general sense.

Speaking of, ever look at the Bugatti closely from front? Remind you of anything?





Also, the rear is quite narrow for a supercar.

that looks wicked in a good way.

any chance of creating some 70's supergraphics to mine. I know the Riv didn't have 'super graphics' but I thought it would be a cool look. Some geometric thick line detail on the sides giving it a speedy look.


instead of GT, say RIV



Please excuse all the Mustang examples. I know there were plenty of 70's muscle cars with them on it.

AA - Why Pchop when I can give you the real chop?



He used to have it on smaller, black rims, which was really slick.

A few more variations -



Needs a special R symbol with a reverse "E" tacked to the front, eh?



Hmm, this color is close to yours, isn't it?



I thought the bottom left one was atrocious at first but it is growing on me.

Andy - I'll have to think about it. I'm sure it can be done.

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Speaking of, ever look at the Bugatti closely from front? Remind you of anything?

Other than being stretched across supercar proportions instead of luxury boat proportions, it's not as good as the Riv.

I think they are referencing Bugatti's of the 20's-50's rather than the Riv though. The gen-before-current Ram pickup was the first vehicle I know of to bring back the seperate fender and hood treatment, it's probably more of an influence than the Riv.

what about 2 thick black stripes on a white riv?
or 2 silver ones on a black riv? im not really a fan of stripes but the more i see it on the new mustanges the more i like it.
maybe a yellow riv with black stripes, and we can call it bumbleriv
...with black side mirrors

Those look pretty cool, Jack. I'm not a fan of the ones with paint lines not on edges or gaps, but still interesting to see.

I really hadn't considered the Riviera's styling to be anything like a Dodge Ram's, but I do see your point. I always saw the Riviera as an evolution of the pinched fender, which evolved from fins. The Riv's fenders form minimal apexes, suggesting this lineage. The Ram's hood on the other hand, has always seemed to me as a protruding bulge from flat fenders, like you saw in cars/trucks from the '30s-50s era. The character of the Riv's "W"-shaped face is quite different than the stepped line of the Ram, imo:



I feel the Veyron follows the Riv's contour pretty closely. You'd be hard-pressed to find a single car, even a Bugatti, that looks more like the Veyron from the front than the Riviera. Even the lights are similar in proportion.

Nah, I'm not saying there's a similiarity between the Riv and the Ram. I'm saying the Ram is the first vehicle I can think of that went back to the fender-and-hood styling of 20's to 50's. I think the Veyron draws its inspiration from Bugatti's of that era -





I don't know if the designers at Bugatti saw the Ram and thought, "Hey, we could do that!" or if they independently went retro. IIRC the EB110 was introduced later than the Ram, which at least implies Dodge was thinking retro first. Bugatti was also working on a retro sedan in that time frame, maybe it predates the Ram?

I don't think the Riv is a fender-and-hood type design, since there's no such model in the Riv's heritage. The look is just an accident of having the bone lines pinch in at front and back. The similiarity between the Riv and Veyron is likely coincidental.

I wasn't saying the Riviera (or the Veyron) is a retro "fender/hood" type of design as you call it, I was saying it isn't. Sure, the Ram falls into this category, it's a truck that goes back 50 years. But I consider pinched fenders, forming the "W" across the front end, to be something else. To me, it's a progression from the old into something new.

But I don't disagree that the Veyron takes a majority of its styling cues from vintage Bugattis. It's pretty obvious. Only part I'm talking about is the front end, particularly how the hood and fenders and headlamps come together.

We can at least agree that the designers at Bugatti had seen both the Riviera and the Dodge Ram before they designed the Veyron. I think that most good designers are curious and inquisitive types, taking note of all significant trends and milestones they might come across. I also believe that all things perceived have some type of impact on the creative output of those who perceive. If I look at '60s Mustangs long enough, I'm going to start drawing new designs that look like '60 Mustangs, whether I'm aware of it or not. Now, between a Riviera and a Ram, which would appear to have made more of an impression on the designers of the Veyron, be they conscious of it or otherwise?

As for the front-end style of the Riviera, I don't think it's entirely accidental. If you look at a '65, like the one below, you can clearly see a similarity between the old and new style. Note how the fenders on the old car come to a point right above the head lamps. If you took that '65 and rounded its hood, then curve the fenders in toward the front, you'd have something very similar to our late model Riviera.

If you check how the fender resolves on the Veyron, it's almost identical to the Riv - to a point right above the head lamps. I realize they had a lot of sources to pull from the inspiration box, but I can't rule out the possibility there was some Riviera influence in there. Remember, the Riv has its roots in Rolls/Ferrari (not French, but European), and the name "Riviera" is a very French one. There's also a whole lot of Euro (Jaguar) influence in the last model. If Bugatti did decide to reference an American car, I can't think of a better candidate.

I WISH MY CAR WAS TWO-TONE

I am a big fan of this style paintwork. The black and burgundy are a very rich combo. I wonder how a Red or Black body would look with a Mother of Pearl (off-white) paint accent. I'm thinking of the old Corvette paint combo's. A neo-Buick combo that would look excellent would be the new Enclave Bronze with a light-colored Gold. Now I really want another Riv. I can have 2 right.



I'm refferencing the lower left hand pic. I didn't realize they were all together

1989 Bugatti ID90 -



Very hard car to find pics of - this is the best I can do for a top view -



You can see the influence of the ID 90's front on all later Bugattis. Bugatti was doing pinched fenders before the Riv came along. I'm sure the look goes back much further than the ID90 though.

The Veyron's front is just a retro-ized version of the ID90, with the horse shoe grill re-introduced on the EB110.

The cross-section shape is a natural interpretation of vintage Bugattis. The fenders may come up higher, but they have to, to clear the tires.

The fenders don't look pinched from that angle. Just looks flat to me, like a Nissan 300 ZX.

If they are in fact pinched, maybe it was the Riv that gained its influence from the older Bugattis?

Have we got some major confusion going on here or what? The internet sure does suck at times.

Are you referring to the top of the car, or the sides?

I've been referring to the sides as "pinched in."

If you're referring to the top as "pinched in," then yeah, the ID90 doesn't have that. It has the sides of the nose pinched in.

I think you're right that we have a communication problem happening here. I could be wrong, but I always referred to the to sharp tops of fenders or fenders with apexes (subtle indications of fins) as "pinched fenders".

I think you're referring to the actual narrowing of the front end into round as pinched fenders.

Here's a few made-up front ends with different types of pinched (my definition) fenders:

I don't know if it's the correct terminology, but I've seen those referred to as "bone lines." It could refer to other raised edges too for all I know. Heck, it probably does.

Ok, we'll call them bone lines, meaning fenders that form a peak between the edge of the hood and the outside of the fender. Not all cars have this, and almost none feature them nowadays. I notice Imports tend to do the opposite. They used to be quite prevalent in American cars from the '60s on. The Riviera was one of the only cars in the '90s to have them. Now you have the Dodge Charger sporting a subtle interpretation:



American sports cars like the Viper and Vette have them as well. But in these cases, the front fenders are working as stand alone elements, more rounded and muscular. I like to call them bulging fenders.:





Anyway, I feel the Veyron's bone lines are a lot like the Riv's.

They're similiar in that they both have bone lines on the fender tops, but the Rivi's curves in to meet the inside of the headlight and the grill -



whereas the Veyron's stays straights and runs into the outer edge of the headlight -