DHP-Power tuner,Rockers or PEMS.

get headers

http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1886

palermocorey90 wrote:

get headers

http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1886

These are nice! Do you have these headers? How is the install on them?

Do I need a crossover pipe?I saw one at ZZP for 59.99, Its ceramic coated.Wasnt sure if stock one could be used.

rivwilly107 wrote:

palermocorey90 wrote:

get headers

http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1886

These are nice! Do you have these headers? How is the install on them?

i do not have these headers yet, that's in late July hopefully. the guy that built my engine. Dave he has them. IMO there bad ass. thats why im getting them

with the header set, you do not need a cross over pipe. it comes with the front manifold, the "crossover", rear manifold, and there version of a down pipe.

and they will ship to your door for 324.00

palermocorey90 wrote:

rivwilly107 wrote:

palermocorey90 wrote:

get headers

http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1886

These are nice! Do you have these headers? How is the install on them?

i do not have these headers yet, that's in late July hopefully. the guy that built my engine. Dave he has them. IMO there bad ass. thats why im getting them

with the header set, you do not need a cross over pipe. it comes with the front manifold, the "crossover", rear manifold, and there version of a down pipe.

and they will ship to your door for 324.00

What are you doing for the Catalytic Converter ? Will the stock one allow enough exhaust flow?

im going to run a high flow cat

palermocorey90 wrote:

im going to run a high flow cat

Where are you getting that from.

Ebay, you can find them on there for very cheap

palermocorey90 wrote:

Ebay, you can find them on there for very cheap

What size are the input output need to be on th Cats. ?

rivwilly107 wrote:

dreww wrote:

DHP, without a doubt.

IMO, you cant really take advantage of mods unless you can tune for them. As AA said, scanning tool is great and the DHP has that as well.

Tuning with the DHP isn't easy, but Im no computer guru and managed just fine.

With my current mods do you think im still not reaching full potential because I havn't tuned? Sounds like there is a good chance I'm getting KR , so I thought PEMs and a 3' downpipe might be a good thing to get asap.

a tuner will take out TM (torque management - a.k.a. the cars PCM limiting power) and you can probably tune out any or some of your KR by adding fuel with the tuner. Simply put, nothing else cause really do that. I did rockers first, but would have done the tuner first if I did it over again. My car didnt feel fast, even with mods, until I had it tuned. Removing TM makes a world of difference. Again, nothing but a tuner does that.

dreww wrote:

rivwilly107 wrote:

dreww wrote:

DHP, without a doubt.

IMO, you cant really take advantage of mods unless you can tune for them. As AA said, scanning tool is great and the DHP has that as well.

Tuning with the DHP isn't easy, but Im no computer guru and managed just fine.

With my current mods do you think im still not reaching full potential because I havn't tuned? Sounds like there is a good chance I'm getting KR , so I thought PEMs and a 3' downpipe might be a good thing to get asap.

a tuner will take out TM (torque management - a.k.a. the cars PCM limiting power) and you can probably tune out any or some of your KR by adding fuel with the tuner. Simply put, nothing else cause really do that. I did rockers first, but would have done the tuner first if I did it over again. My car didnt feel fast, even with mods, until I had it tuned. Removing TM makes a world of difference. Again, nothing but a tuner does that.

I have gone back and forth for quite a bit on this. If I get the HP Tuner for 500.00 and I cant correct my KR because of my stock front manifold than i'm kinda screwed that way also.Ive gotten alot of good advice but no real consistant agreements,more seemed inclined toward the front powerlog and 3' downpipe.However I see the reasoning behind getting the scanner. AAARGHH!! I want them ALL ! LOL:)

As far as the KR i am only assuming because of my mods,I havent heard pinging or any of the other signs of knock.I know that doesn't mean it isn't happening.Which is why scanning is important. I need more overtime!

I see 4-8 deg of KR with my current mods, and no, you do not typically hear the knock.

I decided to go with the Stainless steel Powerlog,Ceramic crossover. I'll be getting the3' downpipe/ cat. combo at Hogans.Next will be a scanner of some sort.Probably a HP Tuner.Really wish one of you were closer to me I'd pay you to scan and tune untill I get my own.Anyone in the upstate NY area? I'm 30 miles south of Syracuse.

Sounds like a good plan, James. The P-Log and downpipe will only help eliminate any KR you have now. I agree a scanner should come next. The HP tuners has a scanner included, so that's a great way to start scanning now and then tune later when you need.

If you haven't seen, here is my current situation, which I would not have known about if not for my scan tool:

https://rivperformance.editboard.com/care-maintenance-f8/testing-fuel-pressure-spark-chasing-kr-t3352.htm

AA wrote:

Sounds like a good plan, James. The P-Log and downpipe will only help eliminate any KR you have now. I agree a scanner should come next. The HP tuners has a scanner included, so that's a great way to start scanning now and then tune later when you need.

If you haven't seen, here is my current situation, which I would not have known about if not for my scan tool:

https://rivperformance.editboard.com/care-maintenance-f8/testing-fuel-pressure-spark-chasing-kr-t3352.htm

I remember reading your post on that,for know is my car ok as long as I dont go wot , just normal driving?

Normal driving and occasional WOT, you should be fine. Take it easy on the very hot days.

Never know, you may find out you're not knocking at all - in that case, it's reason to drop to 3.3"!

AA wrote:

Normal driving and occasional WOT, you should be fine. Take it easy on the very hot days.

Never know, you may find out you're not knocking at all - in that case, it's reason to drop to 3.3"!

Is that your opinion with my current mod list, or after I put the PL and 3'downpipe? I guess i wasn't all that specific earlier , sorry .

I really have no idea. Dave (1998_Riv) had knock with a 3.6" SC pulley.

rivwilly107 wrote:

dreww wrote:

rivwilly107 wrote:

dreww wrote:

DHP, without a doubt.

IMO, you cant really take advantage of mods unless you can tune for them. As AA said, scanning tool is great and the DHP has that as well.

Tuning with the DHP isn't easy, but Im no computer guru and managed just fine.

With my current mods do you think im still not reaching full potential because I havn't tuned? Sounds like there is a good chance I'm getting KR , so I thought PEMs and a 3' downpipe might be a good thing to get asap.

a tuner will take out TM (torque management - a.k.a. the cars PCM limiting power) and you can probably tune out any or some of your KR by adding fuel with the tuner. Simply put, nothing else cause really do that. I did rockers first, but would have done the tuner first if I did it over again. My car didnt feel fast, even with mods, until I had it tuned. Removing TM makes a world of difference. Again, nothing but a tuner does that.

I have gone back and forth for quite a bit on this. If I get the HP Tuner for 500.00 and I cant correct my KR because of my stock front manifold than i'm kinda screwed that way also.Ive gotten alot of good advice but no real consistant agreements,more seemed inclined toward the front powerlog and 3' downpipe.However I see the reasoning behind getting the scanner.
AAARGHH!! I want them ALL ! LOL:)

if you add enough fuel, KR should decrease...BUT, you will probably ALWAYS have some KR. Even with my mods, I get it. AA gets it too and he's well modded and tuned as well. Just FYI. Dont expect zero KR from an front manifold or any other mod. Alot of other factors go into KR than just mods. Weather, conditions, fuel octane, how your transmission shifts, etc.

rivwilly107 wrote:

AA wrote:

Normal driving and occasional WOT, you should be fine. Take it easy on the very hot days.

Never know, you may find out you're not knocking at all - in that case, it's reason to drop to 3.3"!

Is that your opinion with my current mod list, or after I put the PL and 3'downpipe? I guess i wasn't all that specific earlier , sorry .

If you are NOT getting KR(NEED to scan) with your 3.4, adding the Plog and DP should let you drop to a 3.3. But scanning is the key, otherwise you're just guessing.

1998 Riv wrote:

rivwilly107 wrote:

AA wrote:

Normal driving and occasional WOT, you should be fine. Take it easy on the very hot days.

Never know, you may find out you're not knocking at all - in that case, it's reason to drop to 3.3"!

Is that your opinion with my current mod list, or after I put the PL and 3'downpipe? I guess i wasn't all that specific earlier , sorry .

If you are NOT getting KR(NEED to scan) with your 3.4, adding the Plog and DP should let you drop to a 3.3. But scanning is the key, otherwise you're just guessing.

Will likely be a month or two before I can get the tuner, hopfully all is well till then!