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PostSubject: Cam or Roller Rockers?   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2008 4:32 pm

Just wondering if I should go with a Cam or the Rockers? What are the pros/cons for each? It seems like the Rockers would be an easier install. Should I do both?
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2008 5:16 pm

What are your goals?
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2008 5:24 pm

Right now, I'd be happy with a 14.5sec 1/4. I'm bone stock right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2008 9:16 pm

Rockers will certainly help, easier than a cam but a cam is better in the long run. All depends on your real goals. Look at my mod list, it's good for a 14.1. I should be running faster than that, somewhere in the high 13s but I can't figure out what I need to get there. Cold weather I think...
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2008 9:31 pm

If I do both, will I explode?
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2008 9:34 pm

Yep. rockers will increase your lift. cam will increase lift and alter duration/valve timing. both will create too much lift and your valvetrain will just break.
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2008 11:29 pm

If you got deep pockets, you can do a cam and roller rockers of stock ratio. Some people like to slip in 1.7's or so with the cam but if you want to do that, just get the bigger cam instead.
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PostSubject: Coreys crazy new cam   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 26, 2008 11:58 pm

yupp new cam. the S1X is pretty much sold to travis. he has first dibs. tony has second dibs.

any one want to guess my new cam, it has crazy lope. and will send import running for cover. yupp even them crazy euro's twisted

feel free to guess it. if you know dont spoil it cuz u already know. but those who dont feel free and guess. remember who i buy my parts from
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 26, 2008 11:59 pm

And I see what cam you have.
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 12:17 am

palermocorey90 wrote:
yupp new cam. the S1X is pretty much sold to travis. he has first dibs. tony has second dibs.

any one want to guess my new cam, it has crazy lope. and will send import running for cover. yupp even them crazy euro's twisted

feel free to guess it. if you know dont spoil it cuz u already know. but those who dont feel free and guess. remember who i buy my parts from

no way??? dude.. there is NOOO way you will beat any BMW... i'm sorry its just not gonna happen nono
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 12:27 am

well there is like 7 cam choices

XP
VS
NIC
S1X which your getting rid of to me
XPZ
ST2 turbo cam
or a custom grind
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PSSSSH IS3
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 11:19 am

palermocorey90 wrote:
PSSSSH IS3

your not balla enuff to rock such a cam tongue
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PostSubject: cam bonuses   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 12:48 pm

I was just wondering, how much power gain do you guys see with a mild cam? im thinkin about doin it but if its not much im not gonna do the hassle
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 1:17 pm

the answer is, depends on the cam.

here is an article with details on engine design and performance. Allow yourself ~20 minutes to skim it.

http://www.carbibles.com/fuel_engine_bible.html

cam design is a tradeoff. You can get better low rev or high rev performance for instance. The stock cam in the 3800s is intended to develop lots of power at relatively low revs. The 3800 in general is not designed to be a high-revving engine.

After you read the article you'll bea able to ask more specific questions.

happy reading

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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 1:26 pm

the most you can gain from most cams that can be used to stock heads is about 50hp. The VS or S1x are supposedly very good cams for DD use and should to give about 35-45 hp. The XP cam can also be used on stock heads but requires a bit more work. The VS cam can be used to on completely stock valvetrain. If i decide to not install the rockers and sell them , its the cam i'd go with.
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 10:37 pm

NIC.
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 10:50 pm

i think u read the regal fourm, thanks for spoiling in cry

JK my idle is going to be fing insane
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySat Dec 27, 2008 10:57 pm

palermocorey90 wrote:
i think u read the regal fourm, thanks for spoiling in cry

JK my idle is going to be fing insane

Thats what she DIDn't say razz razz razz








I is so funny! in a horrible way lmfao
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySun Dec 28, 2008 11:28 am

OOPs. Sorry corey, You got to get a video of it running. I am curious to hear the car at WOT.
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptySun Dec 28, 2008 5:14 pm

nope i dont, the cam isnt going in till late febuary beginning of march devil
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyMon Dec 29, 2008 12:25 am

97rivsc wrote:
I was just wondering, how much power gain do you guys see with a mild cam? im thinkin about doin it but if its not much im not gonna do the hassle

as stated, about 50hp max. I chose rockers like AA did because the labor required is alot less but the HP gained isn't really a whole lot less.

IMHO, if/when I do a cam, Im going BIG. Big enough to require new heads that can handle the lift.
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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyMon Dec 29, 2008 10:22 am

I went with rockers, because I saw Riv run high 12s with rockers + NO2. That tells me with IC and enough boost, it's possible to make a 3800 very fast with the stock cam.

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PostSubject: Re: Cams & Rockers   Cams & Rockers - Page 2 EmptyMon Dec 29, 2008 11:13 am

AA wrote:
I went with rockers, because I saw Riv run high 12s with rockers + NO2. That tells me with IC and enough boost, it's possible to make a 3800 very fast with the stock cam.

Yeah there was a guy on regalgs.org that pulled like a 12.56 with rockers and IC , and the w-body store has a rockered GP running 12.2s or so with stock cam/trans and a gen III blower.
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