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oldsman105 Junkie
Name : Enrique Patino Age : 39 Location : Queens, New York City Joined : 2007-01-24 Post Count : 756 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Thu May 15, 2008 9:05 pm | |
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captshiner Junkie
Name : Andrew Age : 38 Location : Cincinnati, OH Joined : 2008-07-23 Post Count : 756 Merit : -1
| Subject: Cam or Roller Rockers? Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:32 pm | |
| Just wondering if I should go with a Cam or the Rockers? What are the pros/cons for each? It seems like the Rockers would be an easier install. Should I do both? | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:16 pm | |
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captshiner Junkie
Name : Andrew Age : 38 Location : Cincinnati, OH Joined : 2008-07-23 Post Count : 756 Merit : -1
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:24 pm | |
| Right now, I'd be happy with a 14.5sec 1/4. I'm bone stock right now. | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:16 pm | |
| Rockers will certainly help, easier than a cam but a cam is better in the long run. All depends on your real goals. Look at my mod list, it's good for a 14.1. I should be running faster than that, somewhere in the high 13s but I can't figure out what I need to get there. Cold weather I think... | |
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captshiner Junkie
Name : Andrew Age : 38 Location : Cincinnati, OH Joined : 2008-07-23 Post Count : 756 Merit : -1
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:31 pm | |
| If I do both, will I explode? | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:34 pm | |
| Yep. rockers will increase your lift. cam will increase lift and alter duration/valve timing. both will create too much lift and your valvetrain will just break. | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:29 pm | |
| If you got deep pockets, you can do a cam and roller rockers of stock ratio. Some people like to slip in 1.7's or so with the cam but if you want to do that, just get the bigger cam instead. | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Coreys crazy new cam Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:58 pm | |
| yupp new cam. the S1X is pretty much sold to travis. he has first dibs. tony has second dibs. any one want to guess my new cam, it has crazy lope. and will send import running for cover. yupp even them crazy euro's feel free to guess it. if you know dont spoil it cuz u already know. but those who dont feel free and guess. remember who i buy my parts from | |
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TonySmooth89 Aficionado
Name : Anthony Age : 35 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-11-14 Post Count : 2410 Merit : 16
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:59 pm | |
| And I see what cam you have. | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:27 am | |
| well there is like 7 cam choices
XP VS NIC S1X which your getting rid of to me XPZ ST2 turbo cam or a custom grind | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:49 am | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:19 am | |
| - palermocorey90 wrote:
- PSSSSH IS3
your not balla enuff to rock such a cam | |
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97rivsc Fanatic
Name : mike Age : 34 Location : appleton wisconsin Joined : 2008-09-28 Post Count : 437 Merit : 0
| Subject: cam bonuses Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:48 pm | |
| I was just wondering, how much power gain do you guys see with a mild cam? im thinkin about doin it but if its not much im not gonna do the hassle | |
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8685 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:17 pm | |
| the answer is, depends on the cam.
here is an article with details on engine design and performance. Allow yourself ~20 minutes to skim it.
http://www.carbibles.com/fuel_engine_bible.html
cam design is a tradeoff. You can get better low rev or high rev performance for instance. The stock cam in the 3800s is intended to develop lots of power at relatively low revs. The 3800 in general is not designed to be a high-revving engine.
After you read the article you'll bea able to ask more specific questions.
happy reading
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TonySmooth89 Aficionado
Name : Anthony Age : 35 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-11-14 Post Count : 2410 Merit : 16
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:26 pm | |
| the most you can gain from most cams that can be used to stock heads is about 50hp. The VS or S1x are supposedly very good cams for DD use and should to give about 35-45 hp. The XP cam can also be used on stock heads but requires a bit more work. The VS cam can be used to on completely stock valvetrain. If i decide to not install the rockers and sell them , its the cam i'd go with. | |
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oldsman105 Junkie
Name : Enrique Patino Age : 39 Location : Queens, New York City Joined : 2007-01-24 Post Count : 756 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:37 pm | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:50 pm | |
| i think u read the regal fourm, thanks for spoiling in JK my idle is going to be fing insane | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:57 pm | |
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oldsman105 Junkie
Name : Enrique Patino Age : 39 Location : Queens, New York City Joined : 2007-01-24 Post Count : 756 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:28 am | |
| OOPs. Sorry corey, You got to get a video of it running. I am curious to hear the car at WOT. | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:14 pm | |
| nope i dont, the cam isnt going in till late febuary beginning of march | |
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dreww Junkie
Location : Dallas Joined : 2007-04-10 Post Count : 851 Merit : 9
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:25 am | |
| - 97rivsc wrote:
- I was just wondering, how much power gain do you guys see with a mild cam? im thinkin about doin it but if its not much im not gonna do the hassle
as stated, about 50hp max. I chose rockers like AA did because the labor required is alot less but the HP gained isn't really a whole lot less. IMHO, if/when I do a cam, Im going BIG. Big enough to require new heads that can handle the lift. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:22 am | |
| I went with rockers, because I saw Riv run high 12s with rockers + NO2. That tells me with IC and enough boost, it's possible to make a 3800 very fast with the stock cam. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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TonySmooth89 Aficionado
Name : Anthony Age : 35 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-11-14 Post Count : 2410 Merit : 16
| Subject: Re: Cams & Rockers Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:13 am | |
| - AA wrote:
- I went with rockers, because I saw Riv run high 12s with rockers + NO2. That tells me with IC and enough boost, it's possible to make a 3800 very fast with the stock cam.
Yeah there was a guy on regalgs.org that pulled like a 12.56 with rockers and IC , and the w-body store has a rockered GP running 12.2s or so with stock cam/trans and a gen III blower. | |
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